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	<description>an undercover atheist at a christian college.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on hail and farewell by Autumn</title>
		<link>http://leavingeden.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/hail-and-farewell/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on your graduation, and thank you for being open enough to talk about what you have been through.
It is not bad that you feel that the blog has run its course.  You even said that your atheism no longer seems as pivotal as it once did, and that is a good thing.
You have escaped into a (slightly) more tolerant world, and your musings may well encourage other young people to think about why they belive what they belive.
Speaking out is its own reward.

Autumn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on your graduation, and thank you for being open enough to talk about what you have been through.<br />
It is not bad that you feel that the blog has run its course.  You even said that your atheism no longer seems as pivotal as it once did, and that is a good thing.<br />
You have escaped into a (slightly) more tolerant world, and your musings may well encourage other young people to think about why they belive what they belive.<br />
Speaking out is its own reward.</p>
<p>Autumn</p>
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		<title>Comment on all-school communion, jumbled memories, passion by jessica</title>
		<link>http://leavingeden.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/all-school-communion-jumbled-memories-passion/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *love* going back to church and singing old hymns. Why not? You gotta do what Jews do: differentiate between the religion (which requires certain beliefs) and the culture (which doesn't). 

Although I'm an atheist, my upbringing was such that the center of all family and community experiences I've ever had was Christian. So I feel entitled even as an atheist to cook from the church cookbook and I plan on humming "How Great Thou Art" to my children to lull them asleep.

[Side note: How freaky is it taking communion after you denounce God? I grew up in a transubstantiation church, and they'd somehow managed to convince me (maybe based on 1 Corinthians 11:27?) that non-believers would spontaneously combust if they ingested Our Lord. It was a very atheism-confirming game of Russian Roulette.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *love* going back to church and singing old hymns. Why not? You gotta do what Jews do: differentiate between the religion (which requires certain beliefs) and the culture (which doesn&#8217;t). </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m an atheist, my upbringing was such that the center of all family and community experiences I&#8217;ve ever had was Christian. So I feel entitled even as an atheist to cook from the church cookbook and I plan on humming &#8220;How Great Thou Art&#8221; to my children to lull them asleep.</p>
<p>[Side note: How freaky is it taking communion after you denounce God? I grew up in a transubstantiation church, and they'd somehow managed to convince me (maybe based on 1 Corinthians 11:27?) that non-believers would spontaneously combust if they ingested Our Lord. It was a very atheism-confirming game of Russian Roulette.]</p>
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		<title>Comment on an atheistic equivalent of prayer? by jessica</title>
		<link>http://leavingeden.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/an-atheistic-equivalent-of-prayer/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Helen's #8:

My favorite aunt has just been hit with multiple bouts of cancer and MRSA viruses, etc. at a very young age. They're Wheaties (the whole damn family) and so I get bi-weekly prayer requests and praises that God has delivered yet another blow, but it must be somehow in the name of glory, etc.

I have not yet found a way to respond to these, or talk to my aunt, without acquiescing that I'm praying for them. Especially after a direct request for prayer, responding by saying "I'm thinking of you" would be a blow... not only because I'm an in-the-closet atheist, but because I know they view it as both an effortless gesture on my part AND vital to my aunt's recovery.

That said, to everyone else, I say something like "scrunching up my face and sending good vibes to you...". To most others, I think it's important not just that you're thinking about them (30 seconds of pity, for instance, is not what they want) but that you're doing so with the intention of helping them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Helen&#8217;s #8:</p>
<p>My favorite aunt has just been hit with multiple bouts of cancer and MRSA viruses, etc. at a very young age. They&#8217;re Wheaties (the whole damn family) and so I get bi-weekly prayer requests and praises that God has delivered yet another blow, but it must be somehow in the name of glory, etc.</p>
<p>I have not yet found a way to respond to these, or talk to my aunt, without acquiescing that I&#8217;m praying for them. Especially after a direct request for prayer, responding by saying &#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of you&#8221; would be a blow&#8230; not only because I&#8217;m an in-the-closet atheist, but because I know they view it as both an effortless gesture on my part AND vital to my aunt&#8217;s recovery.</p>
<p>That said, to everyone else, I say something like &#8220;scrunching up my face and sending good vibes to you&#8230;&#8221;. To most others, I think it&#8217;s important not just that you&#8217;re thinking about them (30 seconds of pity, for instance, is not what they want) but that you&#8217;re doing so with the intention of helping them out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wheatonism by jessica</title>
		<link>http://leavingeden.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/53/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a very Christian community and, when I was a teen, my family doctor put me on a very hard-core mood-stabilizer. I'm not sure why, I went in to be treated for chronic migraines. It was a pretty addictive medicine, and I remember my mother (very Christian) taking me home afterwards and explaining to me that I could never tell anyone I'd been prescribed it (among other things, she said, I would be completely unelectable in any government office).

When I went in for a routine re-fill a few months later, he told me he wasn't going to give me a refill, he'd decided I should just trust in God more instead. (I did not know this man personally at all.) Even at 16, I knew it was appalling behavior. I was an in-the-closet atheist at the time (still am), but I went totally ape-shit on him and to my mother in the car afterwards. I am very glad I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in a very Christian community and, when I was a teen, my family doctor put me on a very hard-core mood-stabilizer. I&#8217;m not sure why, I went in to be treated for chronic migraines. It was a pretty addictive medicine, and I remember my mother (very Christian) taking me home afterwards and explaining to me that I could never tell anyone I&#8217;d been prescribed it (among other things, she said, I would be completely unelectable in any government office).</p>
<p>When I went in for a routine re-fill a few months later, he told me he wasn&#8217;t going to give me a refill, he&#8217;d decided I should just trust in God more instead. (I did not know this man personally at all.) Even at 16, I knew it was appalling behavior. I was an in-the-closet atheist at the time (still am), but I went totally ape-shit on him and to my mother in the car afterwards. I am very glad I did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on all-school communion, jumbled memories, passion by Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old post, but I had to respond!

&lt;i&gt;but I think that you would find it interesting to live around some committed atheists for a while and see where their belief system has lead them&lt;/i&gt;

*raises hand* I'm one of those deconverted, "commited atheists" who attended a technical school and lived an "enlightened" attitude towards life. In other words, Laurence would probably call me a "hell-raiser".

My belief system, I feel, has lead me towards a deep and abiding compassion for the people around me; people of all ethnicities, all faiths, and all walks of life. For everybody, Catholic or Protestant, Atheist or evangelical, life is one long, slow grind towards death.  We can live that grind joyfully and full of love for each other and for this great planet, or we can live it regretfully and judgementally. One thing that I've learned since my deconversion is that Christians haven't cornered the market on Joy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old post, but I had to respond!</p>
<p><i>but I think that you would find it interesting to live around some committed atheists for a while and see where their belief system has lead them</i></p>
<p>*raises hand* I&#8217;m one of those deconverted, &#8220;commited atheists&#8221; who attended a technical school and lived an &#8220;enlightened&#8221; attitude towards life. In other words, Laurence would probably call me a &#8220;hell-raiser&#8221;.</p>
<p>My belief system, I feel, has lead me towards a deep and abiding compassion for the people around me; people of all ethnicities, all faiths, and all walks of life. For everybody, Catholic or Protestant, Atheist or evangelical, life is one long, slow grind towards death.  We can live that grind joyfully and full of love for each other and for this great planet, or we can live it regretfully and judgementally. One thing that I&#8217;ve learned since my deconversion is that Christians haven&#8217;t cornered the market on Joy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on hail and farewell by Equine Potamuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Equine Potamuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.  I was wondering if Wheaton could "rescind" your degree, for your "bad faith" at the time you acquired it.  Is that possible and is it something you worry about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  I was wondering if Wheaton could &#8220;rescind&#8221; your degree, for your &#8220;bad faith&#8221; at the time you acquired it.  Is that possible and is it something you worry about?</p>
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		<title>Comment on FAQ by Aratina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aratina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Yes but were you really a Christian?" "Yes, I was a Christian.... I truly sought God… until I stopped believing in him."

Excellent point. It is often wrongly assumed by Christians who proselytize to me that non-Christians, like myself, have never experienced Christianity in a meaningful, deeply spiritual way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes but were you really a Christian?&#8221; &#8220;Yes, I was a Christian&#8230;. I truly sought God… until I stopped believing in him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent point. It is often wrongly assumed by Christians who proselytize to me that non-Christians, like myself, have never experienced Christianity in a meaningful, deeply spiritual way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why eat your vegetables? by metalbends</title>
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		<dc:creator>metalbends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LE --

This barely scratches the surface of it.  Most religions, it's true, are constructed to actively hide from the reality of death, akin to a child plugging her ears with her fingers and shouting "LALALALALA! I can't hear you!" in order to avoid an unpleasant truth.

I would argue, though, that death is not the only unpleasant truth being his in this manner.  Others include:

-- Avoiding the need to actively help your fellow man in times of distress; if you pray for the injured or those in peril, you feel you have done something to help them (when you have not) and can look away from the problem with little remorse.

-- Avoiding the truth that sometimes, things don't have a purpose.  Sometimes, someone dies tragicly for the stupidest of reasons or your house burns down or a tree falls on your car.  Religion affords the believer the luxury of saying "Oh, it must be part of God's plan" and move on, rather than having to accept that, well....."shit happens".

-- Sparing people the need to think about matters of morality and ethics, therefore allowing them to avoid uncomfortable moral ambiguity.  When is it moral to kill another human being?  The believer is apt to answer "Never!  The Good Book says 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'!"...until faced with "Even if that person is going to rape your daughter?"  While not sparing them from moral ambiguity in practice, it certainly makes it easier to judge other's behavior from an absolutist standpoint (for many, anyway).

The list goes on and on, each reason underscoring why religion is so hard for most to let go of, each adding another fluffy blanket to hide one's head under and pretend life is easier than it is.

Take care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LE &#8211;</p>
<p>This barely scratches the surface of it.  Most religions, it&#8217;s true, are constructed to actively hide from the reality of death, akin to a child plugging her ears with her fingers and shouting &#8220;LALALALALA! I can&#8217;t hear you!&#8221; in order to avoid an unpleasant truth.</p>
<p>I would argue, though, that death is not the only unpleasant truth being his in this manner.  Others include:</p>
<p>&#8211; Avoiding the need to actively help your fellow man in times of distress; if you pray for the injured or those in peril, you feel you have done something to help them (when you have not) and can look away from the problem with little remorse.</p>
<p>&#8211; Avoiding the truth that sometimes, things don&#8217;t have a purpose.  Sometimes, someone dies tragicly for the stupidest of reasons or your house burns down or a tree falls on your car.  Religion affords the believer the luxury of saying &#8220;Oh, it must be part of God&#8217;s plan&#8221; and move on, rather than having to accept that, well&#8230;..&#8221;shit happens&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8211; Sparing people the need to think about matters of morality and ethics, therefore allowing them to avoid uncomfortable moral ambiguity.  When is it moral to kill another human being?  The believer is apt to answer &#8220;Never!  The Good Book says &#8216;Thou Shalt Not Kill&#8217;!&#8221;&#8230;until faced with &#8220;Even if that person is going to rape your daughter?&#8221;  While not sparing them from moral ambiguity in practice, it certainly makes it easier to judge other&#8217;s behavior from an absolutist standpoint (for many, anyway).</p>
<p>The list goes on and on, each reason underscoring why religion is so hard for most to let go of, each adding another fluffy blanket to hide one&#8217;s head under and pretend life is easier than it is.</p>
<p>Take care!</p>
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		<title>Comment on hail and farewell by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, to add... I eventually became an atheist, too.  A Christian college is a GREAT way to turn someone away from the fold. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, to add&#8230; I eventually became an atheist, too.  A Christian college is a GREAT way to turn someone away from the fold. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on hail and farewell by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I became an agnostic while at Cedarville College (now C.University)... big with the baptist stuff.  It's hard turning away, but I did... it's good to see other people see the light of day in places like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I became an agnostic while at Cedarville College (now C.University)&#8230; big with the baptist stuff.  It&#8217;s hard turning away, but I did&#8230; it&#8217;s good to see other people see the light of day in places like that.</p>
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